BTW Erin,you totally rock. (you too Steve) Thank you for staying true to yourself and your efforts to bridge the gap between western and eastern medicine with kindness and listening and science. Critical if we ever want to accomplish anything, Kathy Boehme
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Mast Cell Tumors In A Dog
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drakedoc
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October 25, 2017 View Case Report
BTW Erin,you totally rock. (you too Steve) Thank you for staying true to yourself and your efforts to bridge the gap between western and eastern medicine with kindness and listening and science. Critical if we ever want to accomplish anything, Kathy Boehme
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by
naturevet
October 30, 2017
Hi Kathy,
For a case like this, I usually stay away from Blood movers, and use Hoxsey and Si Miao San together.
They are fine with chemo in principle, and may enhance its efficacy. For that reason, I use them even on chemo days, although I know Erin likes to skip giving herbs on injection days. So your choice there. If you can get the situation cooled off, and there are still tumors on the periphery, I'd recommend removing them at some point.
If chemo takes the dog very low, you can use Six Gentlemen (Liu Jun Zi Tang) to pick her back up, and temporarily halt the Hoxsey and SMS. Otherwise, though, I'd use them as long as there is a suggestion of Damp Heat
Hope that helps!
Steve
For a case like this, I usually stay away from Blood movers, and use Hoxsey and Si Miao San together.
They are fine with chemo in principle, and may enhance its efficacy. For that reason, I use them even on chemo days, although I know Erin likes to skip giving herbs on injection days. So your choice there. If you can get the situation cooled off, and there are still tumors on the periphery, I'd recommend removing them at some point.
If chemo takes the dog very low, you can use Six Gentlemen (Liu Jun Zi Tang) to pick her back up, and temporarily halt the Hoxsey and SMS. Otherwise, though, I'd use them as long as there is a suggestion of Damp Heat
Hope that helps!
Steve
by
drakedoc
October 30, 2017
Thank you Steve. I'll update Moose's case as we progress, Kathy
by
bannink
January 3, 2018
Hi Kathy and Steve,
Just now getting a minute to catch up on the forum. I wonder how Moose fared with treatments?
I wanted to make a clarifying comment about herbs with chemo, just since it is such a common question. In my personal patients who are already on herbs and are planning to get chemo, I don't actually skip the herbs on chemo days. That is an advisable approach when working with an oncologist who is uncomfortable with the idea of giving the herbs concurrent with the chemotherapy. So, out of respect for everyone that is a good compromise. I do, however, try to avoid starting a bunch of new therapies at once. So if the patient is new to both chemo and herbs, my approach is (gernerally) to start chemo. Then after the patient has received one dose of each drug in the protocol then we start antineoplastic herbs. The reason for that is just because chemo can affect appetite and GI (vomiting and diarrhea) and if we start everything at once it isn't possible to determine what is causing the problem. So it's a management preference. So, not that it's relevant to Moose at this point, but if people are browsing the forum wanted to just add these two cents.
Erin
Just now getting a minute to catch up on the forum. I wonder how Moose fared with treatments?
I wanted to make a clarifying comment about herbs with chemo, just since it is such a common question. In my personal patients who are already on herbs and are planning to get chemo, I don't actually skip the herbs on chemo days. That is an advisable approach when working with an oncologist who is uncomfortable with the idea of giving the herbs concurrent with the chemotherapy. So, out of respect for everyone that is a good compromise. I do, however, try to avoid starting a bunch of new therapies at once. So if the patient is new to both chemo and herbs, my approach is (gernerally) to start chemo. Then after the patient has received one dose of each drug in the protocol then we start antineoplastic herbs. The reason for that is just because chemo can affect appetite and GI (vomiting and diarrhea) and if we start everything at once it isn't possible to determine what is causing the problem. So it's a management preference. So, not that it's relevant to Moose at this point, but if people are browsing the forum wanted to just add these two cents.
Erin
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